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Justice is important in online platforms.

#1
I was thinking about this just now. About justice systems and the state of moderation on a lot of online platforms.

Lord Chief Justice Geoffrey Lane said "It is not enough that justice is done; it must also be seen to be done."

With regards to online platforms like steam forums or reddit or Facebook, etc. The following cna apply;

Lack of Transparency
   Opaque Policies: Many platforms do not clearly communicate their rules or the reasons behind moderation decisions, leading to confusion and frustration.
   Inconsistent Enforcement: Users often perceive a double standard when similar behaviors are handled differently, undermining trust in the system.

Secrecy in Justice
   Limited Visibility: Disciplinary actions taken against users (like bans or content removals) are rarely shared, creating a gap in understanding and confidence in the system.
   Targeted Responses: Victims of online harassment or abuse may feel that their concerns are dismissed without due process, further perpetuating a toxic environment.

Impact on Community
   Toxic Atmospheres: The combination of perceived injustice and lack of accountability can lead to hostile interactions, making users feel unsafe and unwelcome.
   Erosion of Trust: When users feel that justice is not served transparently, it breeds distrust in the platform and its community guidelines.
#2
I'm sure you have stories about when this has effected you.

Personally, I experienced this most recently on steam. I was being subjected to ableism by other users and the moderators came along an locked the topic, chastised me for pushing back, and did nothing to the perpetrators.
#3
I've definitely noticed an unfortunate trend concerning the double standard of ableisim both online and in real life where people will treat those they view as disabled or lesser than them as if they were mentally younger than they actually are or they end up perpetuating the misinformed attitude that it's okay to not take a disabled person seriously and treat what they say and do as funny because there disabled.

Which quite frankly just sickens me, people who resort to Sexism, Homophobia, Classisum or Ageism online are usually dealt with fairly quickly before there toxicity gets out of hand yet when it comes to Ableisim the higher ups of said sites don't bat an eye or they resort to favouritism, there are some buttholes that honestly don't deserve the position of admin/moderator I know I would be fuming if I were in the situation that you were in.

As for PG13 and online related situations in recent memory where I felt the online justice system was being unfairly set against me it would have to be when I used to be a content creator on YouTube, despite sticking as close to the fair use policy as humanely possible my videos got either deleted or lambasted with copyright claims and even when I attempted to refute such claims using factual evidence that strongly supported my case for why said videos were not in violation of the fair use policy they would still get rejected anyway as if no one bothered to read them.

It got to a point where I had to publicly call out the YouTube higher ups on there flawed and unethical policy regarding there mistreatment of content creators which soon led to my permanent ban from YouTube where just to rub it in even further they sent me an email stating that they were happy to announce that my video had been taken down and that I no longer had access to YouTube as my account was put under criminal investigation despite the fact I had committed no criminal offence whatsoever.

I'd definitely say I've been a victim of systemic abuse or a victim in situations where those in power felt the need to place themselves above the rules they created and absolve themselves of consequences.
#4
These automated systems are terrible, honestly that makes my blood boil, when you were working within legal allowances, but they just don't give any reasonable consideration for that. We need more decent humans making decisions.
#5
Yeah it's a shame how YouTube and other similar sites have leaned into automation, a machine's sense of justice does not necessarily equal a human beings sense of justice.

The lack of professionalism in how they chose to deliver the news of my ban from YouTube didn't help either, thankfully there are still good people in the world and as time goes on more good people appearing and growing in the world who are trying to and in some cases have succeeded in making things better.
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#6
You then get pieces like this coming up:
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/attorney-general-ken-paxton-secures-historic-legal-victory-forcing-discord-protect-texas-children
Basically Texas has forced Discord to add in new protections for age verification to prevent less predator encounters.

But can we say that the punishment for these people isn't often enough?

I mean I look at Hollywood, Jared Leto called out for sexual misconduct, what will happen? Probably lose acting, but no prison sentence?

I also agree that they are very tight lipped about protocols taking place: Which some might argue is "to protect the offenders" but I say who cares. "They made there bed, they can lie in it." If they really want to be a complete bigot and jerk then they deserve to be labeled for it and not shielded by corporations.

Also I totally sympathize with the stupid YT content blocking - I've not had it go that far but, I've had multiple reviews blocked, tbf one or 2 used a lot of footage, but even the new Doomsday trailer got struck and I'm just like bro- Disney, I am trying to promote your movie by explaining my excitement??

I do hate "automated protections" besides anything automated can be exploited? Do you think people are really gonna accept more automated / protection verifications? No, it'll be broken.

That said I do defend discord as I admit I was under 13 when I joined and so were many others, I'm 21 now, but I think in general yea, joining could be made stronger but not by an AI tech piece.
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#7
I think that's pretty good tbh, especially since we lean on Discord Oauth to verify users, this makes this site safer and it makes children safer. The methods used... may not always be the best. The automated systems, leave a lot to be desired. Hopefully we can improve that.

with regards to the rest, I'm not confident if it's wise to have political discussions here.
I mean I am not confident I can elaborate on my thoughts without saying too much or too little.

Justice means fairness and support for all, and improving the state of society.  
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#8
It's strange how they would be blocking your reviews and reaction to one of there trailers Prism as someone promoting there work through excitement and positivity would surely benefit them financially, this is definitely a case of online injustice upon both there fans and their own financial stability.

As to whether people will accept automated functions online or not this honesty depends on the kind of people who encounter said automation, some will simply accept it and conform to the latest tech trend others who are more cautious and genre savvy are most certainly likely to not accept such automation and may even outright challenge it and campaign for it's deletion.

On the matter of actor controversy and the manner on how criminals should be dealt with in accordance with there crimes, those are subjects I'd rather not delve into any further. Others who see this thread might but not me.
#9
Yea it's weird, but its because the automated bot system- IK for a fact I would think- lol that YT does not strike videos or Disney, but it's an automated system.